Dr. Seema Yasmin, author of The ABCs of Queer History (Workman Publishing), diversity upon diversity and queerness represented in fullness.
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About the book: The ABCs of Queer History by Dr. Seema Yasmin; illustrated by Lucy Kirk. Published by Workman Publishing.
A Through-the-Alphabet Celebration of Queer History in the US, from the Publisher of the New York Times Bestseller The ABCs of Black History
In a beautiful picture book brimming with P for Pride, writer and poet Seema Yasmin and illustrator Lucy Kirk celebrate all the joys and challenges of queer history in the United States through lively, rhyming verse and bright, colorful illustrations.
This is a book of people, of ideas, of accomplishments and events. It's a book about Allies and Ancestors, about Belonging and Being accepted, about Hope, Knowledge, and Love. About historic moments like Stonewall, and how it changed the world. And all about Trailblazers, like Audre Lorde, James Baldwin, Josephine Baker, Harvey Milk, Barbara Jordan, George Takei, Elliot Page, and Sally Ride.
And ultimately, it's a book to help kids learn a different kind of ABCs--not just words like apple, ball or cat, but rather the essence of what it means to be diverse, to be equitable, to be inclusive. That no one counts unless we all count, and how we must open our eyes and ears, minds and hearts, to hear everyone's story and understand and celebrate their experience.
*NOTE: This transcript was AI-generated and may contain errors. I have done my best to clean up as much as I can. This process will improve naturally and with time. Thank you for understanding.
INTRO
Matthew: Welcome back to the Children’s Book Podcast, where we dive deep into the world of creativity, storytelling, and the magic behind the art of creating books for children.
I’m your host, Matthew Winner. Teacher. Librarian. Writer. Fan of kids.
Today, I have the honor of speaking with a guest whose work is both groundbreaking and deeply impactful. Joining us is Dr. Seema Yasmin, a powerful voice in the world of literature and advocacy. Dr. Seema is the author of The ABCs of Queer History, illustrated by Lucy Kirk, a book that celebrates all the joys and challenges of queer history in the United States through lively, rhyming verse and bright, colorful illustrations. Beyond her work as an author, Dr. Seema is also a dedicated LGBTQ+ advocate, a journalist, and a physician, using her platform to educate, inspire, and promote inclusivity and understanding.
In this episode, we’ll discuss Dr. Seema’s journey as a writer and advocate, the inspiration behind The ABCs of Queer History, and the importance of representation and education in children’s literature. Whether you’re an author or illustrator, a teacher or librarian, a parent or reader of any age, if you are someone passionate about diversity and inclusion, this conversation is sure to inspire and empower.
So, without further ado, let’s welcome Dr. Seema Yasmin to the show!
INTERVIEW
Seema: Hey everyone, I am Seema Yasmin. I'm a queer Muslim author from the UK, now living in the US, and I am the author of the ABCs of Queer History.
Matthew: Well, it's so lovely to have you on the other side of the mic. And I'm so glad, as I told you prior to recording Seema, that, that you made this book, um, I will tell you as a, as a queer librarian and as the rainbow rep for our elementary school, all of our schools in this county have rainbow reps, um, which means that I am sort of.
The representative to help connect with kids and connect with families alongside in partnership with our school psychologists and school counselors and administration and teachers and what I'm, I guess, really getting to is that we've got a lot of books in our library, at least that represent or mirror, reflect our lovely, diverse queer community.
Wow. When I got my hands on the ABCs of queer history, you knocked me off my feet. It's so rich. And Lucy has done such an amazing job illustrating it. And the, the language and the accessibility for, I teach pre K through fifth grade, and I feel like, my word, I can share this with every single one of my students.
So thank you for the work you brought to this book and the gift you gave us all by making it.
Seema: It was my pleasure. Thank you so much for sharing that feedback because yes, this is an illustrated book. It's a picture book. It's for kids from the looks of it, but I've had people buy it for their young niece.
and for their grandparents. And I've had, you know, fellow doctor friends read the stuff in the back and say, Oh my gosh, I needed someone to break down the differences between sex and gender for me in that kind of language. So. Yeah. It's incredible to see this book resonate with so many people, whether queer or allies slash co conspirators of the queer community, but also just people enjoying it in the same family across generations.
I love that.
Matthew: Ooh, I love hearing that too. That's wonderful that you're getting feedback because I, I feel like so often, well, you're hearing feedback, which is wonderful, but you're probably only hearing a very tiny. smidgen of it because that book is now out in the world and people are talking without you.
They're making their own connection. So I'm glad what you are hearing, uh, is so representative, I'm sure of, of the, of the greater impact. Would you mind, before we go much deeper into this, could you, Tell me how you describe the ABCs of Queer History to one of our readers of any age who is new to the book.
Seema: The ABCs of Queer History is a joyous celebration of queer people, of queer culture, of queer people's contributions to society. Whether that's through medicine and science or through literature or choreography, it's illustrated. So for people like me who love pictures and for kids as well, there's a lot to absorb through the imagery.
For example, seeing queer people of color. all different complexions, seeing queerness represented, not just as who you might be in partnership with, but what a queer family looks like. So whether you're looking at a picnic scene and you're reading the text, or you're just absorbing what the pictures are affirming about us and about the breadth.
and diversity of queerness because queer people, we are not a monolith and it's really fun to celebrate the diversity upon diversity within the queer community. So that's how I would describe it. A joyous celebration and also a very real one. It talks about the challenges that we have faced throughout history and continue to face.
Matthew: I. I'm struck by just by structure of this story. The way that your structure does reflect. The queerness is not monolithic. Simply also by you made an ABCs of queer history. That is not, A stands for this one thing and B stands for this one thing. Of course you wouldn't be so didactic, but this book is bursting.
Each page is bursting with language, with vocabulary, with context, with, uh, individuals, with history, with identity. There's so much, and you. You don't compartmentalize it all. It's not like, well, H is for history. So let's put all the history on this page or whatever is for S is for Stonewall. So on this page, we're only going to talk about Stonewall.
You, you've just, you've flexed a really terrific writing muscle here that I think allows, you know, Many, many, many people to see themselves in this book, to walk into this book. And it's, it's wonderful. I'd love to ask you how, how you fine tune this book. What was your process for editing to strike this balance?
It's not lost on me too, Seema, that it might just be you. It might be that you are just this loving, giving person that knows to keep pulling in and pulling in and pulling in because that's what we do as family. Um, but I, I, I expect a fair amount of editing was also to do with it.
Seema: Of course, that's part of the writing process, right?
Is revising and revisioning. But thank you for affirming the way in which I approached this book. Of course, language is a tool for imagining a better world, for imagining a different future, and then for describing and communicating that better world and that better future to other people. So as a longtime lover of language and lover of words, this was not going to be your, you know, A is for Apple, kind of ABC book.
There is so much to share about queer community, queer culture, queer icons, queer contributions, and to try and pack so much of that into a children's book, although yeah, you know, a book for everyone, it's a challenge, but a really juicy challenge. I was raised in queer community, so as soon as I kind of received Perceived this assignment.
I knew the people I wanted in the book . I knew I wanted to affirm queer people's contributions to medicine. You know, I'm a doctor and I wanted to con affirm those contributions and not just the, oh, gay people invent dances and gay people love really lit. You know what I mean? Like, yes. We are, but we are all of the things.
And so all of the things are going to make them their way into the book, even if it says a little taster in some instances, even if it's a jumping off point for some people who, you know, will close the book and be like, I know what I need to go look up now. But to answer your question, I was really thinking about representation and who does and does not get represented in literature like this, in images like this, and poems and sentences like these ones.
And so there'll be names in the book that people will recognize and then hopefully for everyone there'll be some new faces and some new names and even some new ideas because going back to this idea that us queer folks are not a monolith, you know? There are queer folks who are still quite binary about gender and maybe haven't been introduced to the idea of gender as a construct, gender as a tool of policing people.
And so I still hear like, you know, turfy, transphobic, very binary stuff about gender from queer people sometimes. And so I wanted us to remember that, you know, when people say things to me like, oh, this like, trans stuff is new. Like, no, it's not. And let me tell you some stories from the 1800s or from the 1700s about people who were assigned one gender at birth and then die, you know, they lived their life a different way.
And it's only when they were written up in their obituary that we learned. And so it was really important for me to affirm our trans community as well.
Matthew: Oh my word, you're blowing my mind that that's how we would have known in history. I, yeah. I've asked myself the question of how did we know? And that, that seems, it makes it accessible for everyone.
It wasn't just that Abraham Lincoln was queer or that Nefertiti was queer or whomever. And these were like massive people in history, but also individuals that we have there. birth records and it was indicated one way when they were born. Doctors, um, indicated it one way when they were born and, and on their, um, records of their death, it's indicated a different way because of how they live their life.
Just that I, I, I, You're catching me at just a moment of learning. I haven't, that wasn't a question that I, that I investigated hard enough on how would we have known that? I love that. It
Seema: has been deliberate campaigns over the centuries to erase us from history. Correct. We write us in a way that maintains the status quo and erases our queerness, right?
Or our gender queerness. So some of these names, maybe you will know, but you may not know that they were queer. Or you may not know that they were genderqueer. And that's why the book starts with, um, A is for abundant because we are many. Because I think recently, especially, I've been noticing from queer people and non queer people.
Like this idea of like, you know, quote unquote, that term woke, like the gender queerness stuff is like new. And so I was like, Oh, let's, let's do away with that. Like that's brainwashing to make us think that this stuff is new when humans have been playing around with gender and queer identities since ever.
And. There, yes, there are records that we can go back to, but they're just also long lineages of oral storytelling, right? In which people pass this stuff on. And so it's, I feel like it's our responsibility, but also our privilege to like, dig and, and unearth these stories. And it's so fun to share them in this book.
Matthew: I, goodness, we do still have such a long way to go, but Yeah, the affirmation that all of us, all of us are learning in the family, outside of the family, we're all learning. And that's what we should be doing because If we're bringing about a world where we are making space for people to communicate their true selves and their true identities and how they feel today and how that may be fluid and how that may be different than what, um, than what we've had experience with before or what have you, we also then are creating a world where we're making space for new ways to communicate how we identify which means that the ABCs of queer history will be different if you wrote it five years from now or ten or perhaps even six months from now.
Who knows?
Seema: And I referenced that in the book as well.
I might be using language to describe some of the folks in this book that wasn't language either available to them or language that in the context of their time and their moment in history was the language that they might have chosen. Um, and you know, recently I had the opportunity of hanging out with queer elders who were at the Stonewall Rebellion.
The Stonewall Rebellion Veterans Association still meets in the West Village every month. Every month?! Yes, they are consistent and it's really fun talking to them because they, some of them don't like the word queer. It's, you know, it's a word as, and I get it, it has different connotations for them. When I was younger, you know, it was, it was still a word that could be used as a slur.
So language does challenge us because language evolves and we are faced with the evolving culture. meaning of language. And that's a really interesting thing to dive into as well.
Matthew: Well, and it, isn't it just both the evolving meaning of language and the evolving use, because it can mean the same thing, but there are community members that are forcefully retaking it.
And,
Seema: and some that don't agree with that. And that's correct.
Matthew: Oh, I love it. Oh my goodness. Okay. Ooh. Okay, Seema, you and me, we're gonna meet up. We're having coffee. This is gonna be great. We're East Coast friends now. This is it. We're good, but I think Oh, I want
Seema: tea, but yes.
Matthew: Okay, well tea it is. Listen, it depends on the time of day.
Uh, I, I am your stereotypical librarian, though, with, with my cardigan and tea in hand when I'm at school, letting you know. Oh, I love that. Oh, yeah. Oh, I check the boxes. It's fun. It's so cute. We love, I love my librarian. Uh, my identity, my community is librarians as well. Um, I love my intersections. Um, I want to ask you, um, because it was one of the things that, really moved me most powerfully in your book.
I want to ask you about your presentation of queer individuals, not for their queerness, but just for their existence, right? This is what we want. This is idealistic. I love this. And if they're included in a book about queer history, then I can deduce, well, yeah, you, you're mentioning this person because of their inclusion in this umbrella.
You, you, You don't need to do that. How am I trying to say this? I'm feeling like I'm answering my own question, but it's blowing my mind, Seema, if I can just say it, I was just gonna say, it's blowing my mind that I feel like, I guess I'm recognizing that I have been brought up in a society where we define things.
Oh, you're queer, Matthew? What kind of queer are you? What flavor are you? I'm realizing that I have been systematized in that way, and I'm actively working against it. But your book does not do that. And so I, I can I can hear that singing off the page and it really excites me. I rebuke that. I rebuke that as the word.
Seema: You know what's, what's interesting is since the ABCs of queer history came out in April, 2024, I've just very recently, a couple of weeks ago, had my first YA novel come out.
Matthew: Yes. Unbecoming.
Seema: Yes, unbecoming. Congratulations. I
Matthew: saw you at where? A LAI was seeing pictures right.
Seema: I was at ALA, I've been at The Slam, yes I've been touring with this novel which I started writing in 2019 and I set it in a world in which the Supreme Court overturned Roe v.
Wade and in which every state in America then criminalized BIPOC. abortion. Of course, this happened a few years later and people are calling me psychic. I'm not. It was just the writing was on the wall, right? But the reason I bring up the novel is because it's a dual perspective YA novel. So it's told through the perspectives of two 17 year old girls in Dallas and they're both on the cover.
One is Layla and one is Noor. And I, this is not a spoiler alert because you learn it on page one, but Layla, the girl on the cover who wears the hijab, the headscarf, she's pregnant in the post row America. And so this is a story about friendship, faith, family, and how community will get you through the roughest times in your life.
Right. But the other perspective, uh, Layla, sorry, Noor, Layla's best friend, Noor, who's also on the cover in a leather jacket. And I would say a very queer haircut. She's also Muslim and also queer. And so what has happened is as this novel is making its way out into the world, whether it's interviewers, reviewers, readers, people are like, Oh, nor is just.
She's queer. She's just queer. And I'm like, I, yes, that sounds funny, but I know what you're saying. She's just queer. She's human and queerness is part of that. And I think people are a bit like, wait, there's a queer Muslim 17 year old in this novel. She's on the cover and her queerness isn't like a driving factor of the plot.
There's not this angst and anxiety around Nora's queerness. It's just a part of her and I'm like, isn't that interesting? But that is some people's experience of being queer. They can be queer and Muslim and 17 and come out to their parents and their parents can be like, Yeah, we've been knowing and, um, you know, what do you want for dinner tonight?
Like that, that really, you know, again, like you're saying, people want to know, wait, no, what flavor of queer are you? What's your coming out story? As if you just come out once in life, as if you're not constantly coming out. It's a different, People are different communities within your life, but it's really fascinating seeing how that's enjoyed and received and how it's like making people go, Oh yeah, you could just be like queer and in Texas and Muslim.
And like, you just, you still have a life and like your queerness isn't an, or like it can be all consuming, but some days it's not. And that's okay. That's real life.
Matthew: Well, it's beautiful to be at a place to see. queer representation in literature and other medium, but we're talking about literature here where it doesn't need to center on queerness.
We're not, we're not certainly there yet, um, with all of publishing, but, um, to be in a place where Yeah, this this is just this individual and how they walk through the world. I'm actually gonna write a story about this thing That's what we're that's what we're gonna write about It just it feels I mean, I don't listen I'm of a certain age I'm 43 I'm hitting a point where This podcast is older than my students.
Okay, I'm getting older now. This is okay But it, it causes me to, um, I'm recognizing that I'm sort of entering a strong nostalgic phase of my life of going, oh yeah, I didn't grow up in, in the, in the world that, that these kids that I'm teaching are growing up in. And what a beautiful thing. Um, but in some ways,
Seema: I love that.
Not nostalgia is the kind of romance.
Matthew: Yeah, a bit. Um, and in some ways it, it. It, uh, I'll say, maybe you've had this experience too, it almost feels radical that, that these individuals are, are who they are and are walking through the world the way they are because, because I, because I know my story growing up and I don't need to divulge that on this show.
Of course not. But, um, I know that it, it didn't feel like I could, uh, walk through the world with, with the ease that some of these kids are. And I, I think probably mostly because I don't feel like I had the community that I know some of these kids, not all of these kids. I, I recognize that I'm also in an, uh, I'm in a state, I'm in a city, I'm in a location that, Um, there may be more people that are welcoming and allied and kind and loving and just see the person as a, as a whole person, but, wow, does it make me, um, Does it make me even, even read a book such as the ABCs of queer history and go, this is wild though that this book is out, right?
Isn't this wild?
Seema: I know, I know. And for real, like I can affirm exactly what you're feeling because I'll have moments of like, wow, not only am I writing this book and this book's going to come out in April 2024, I was thinking as I was writing it, But it was Hachette, my publisher, which is one of the big four or big five, whatever's left in publishing.
But it's one of their lead titles for the season.
Matthew: And I'm just like, wow,
Seema: I am queer. I'm Muslim. I'm brown. I'm a femme. Um, I am the author of a book that is a kid's book that is the lead title for the publisher in 2024. And then, but then I will contrast that experience of like, wow, how far we've come with whatever, whatever horrific, usually transphobic crime is in the news that day.
Right. So all of those things are real. We've come so far and we have so much work to do. So much imagining to do.
Matthew: We do, you know, as of recording this, the Olympics is. happening and there was just a, there continue to be big things going on in the Olympics, but there was just a trans issue that I saw making the news today.
And we, that can be something that people look up later. I don't, we don't need to timestamp this, but it's, it's that of people. Um, really struggling with how anyone is walking through the world and making it their business because they feel somehow disenfranchised by the existence of another person. But I'll say at the same time, my goodness, my Instagram feed has been full of look at all these queer athletes at the Olympics.
And it's been the greatest thing for me to, you know, Follow Tom Daley's, um, crocheting. It's been the greatest.
Seema: The Olympics is a deeply queer event. You
Matthew: said listen.
Seema: Let's just be real. It's so queer that it's making some people uncomfortable. But that's
Matthew: what it is. Oh, it's so good. Okay, um, I, I want, I'm watching our time.
My goodness, time always goes so quickly. Um, I would love to make sure that I don't leave this conversation with you without. us both having a chance to sing praises for Lucy Kirk's work throughout this book. It's beautiful. I feel like, wow, Lucy has done the thing that I love in children's books, which is as I flip those pages, it doesn't all look the same.
It is a rainbow page to page, but I, my eyes are drawn in different places. And I bet if we, assembled the cast of people that she put in this book, we could easily fill a stadium. There, there seemed to be hundreds of different people to me in, in this book, if not more than that. Um, talk to me about, about the art in this book.
I'd love to even know, is there just, is there a spread or two that you That just really, really moves you every time.
Seema: I know I was supposed to probably respond to this with like something really profound, but two things. One, one is profound, which is that people's skin tones. It's not just like, Oh, let's check the box and make this a diverse book and just put some like token Brown people in here.
Like the skin tones are all different. and that's really important. I have dark skinned friends who say, oh yeah, sometimes children's books have brown people, but then everyone's the same shade of brown and there's a richness in this book. And so that's exciting because different kids are going to see themselves represented, their friends represented, right?
But the other thing I'll make you laugh is that there is, of course, um, there are, of course, a few lines in this book length poem about our beloved Harvey Milk. And, um, in the poem, The picture that, uh, Lucy Kerr rendered for that spread, there's people standing on the steps of City Hall in San Francisco, where of course, our dear Harvey worked.
And it just so happened that Lucy drew some folks standing on those steps with a dog on a leash. With a
Matthew: sweater on the dog on the leash.
Seema: Yeah, well, of course. I mean, we're queer. Um, but then, when I was sent like early drawings, were they even colored at that point or were they just pencil? I can't remember.
But, I remember I was at the Center for Fiction in Brooklyn with a friend of mine. We were co writing and I said to her, Oh, look, exciting email I just got. And she looked at that drawing and she said, Oh, do you know what would be really cool? She said, did you know that among all the amazing things that Harvey Milk did, he was also on a mission to get people to clean up their dog's poop?
And I was like,
Matthew: Oh, you're blowing my mind.
Seema: This is why we need queer community and we need to tell stories to each other. Cause. You know, I did so much research. Nowhere was it written in any scholarly text that Harvey Milk was railing against dog poop on the streets. So then we passed this on to Lucy and I said, can you add like the dog poop?
And I just, I'm, you know, I'm an Aries. We're kind of petty, which actually means we're detail oriented. And so I just love little touches like that.
Matthew: That's exceptional. That's fantastic. I can't, I can't. I
Seema: also just, I also love that we are railing against heteronormativity in this book too. So then when you just see like regular spreads of people and families picnicking at the kitchen table, it might be, you know, two dads and a mom or three moms and a dad.
Like it's, you know what I mean? Like that was so important to me that that was rendered visually so that kids who read this book can be like, that's what my family looks like.
Matthew: And abundance. I love there's a. spread. I just found it again. Um, that has, um, an intersex flag, I believe, um, uh, wrapped as a cape around an older woman or a female presenting person with gray hair.
And it's just like, that's there's little moments like that. There's all sorts of representation of, of different, um, different body differences and, and mobility differences. And goodness, even on the page that is like the Project Runway page with Janelle Monáe and Blair Imani. There's even like, as I'm sleeping through this, even diversity between what cameras people are using.
I'm like, listen, everything is intentional in art. And the fact that Lucy did this is just bad. Look closer. No, really look closer. Did you see the poo bag? I did that. Yeah, it's wonderful. Dude. Um, would you mind reading? An excerpt for us doesn't matter from where I you've got such a wonderful rhythmic text throughout and
Seema: It's hard to sometimes pick where to read, which is a very good challenge to have. Okay, maybe I'll just read from the beginning, actually. And maybe, you know what I don't do often, but let me do it now, is read the quotes at the beginning of the book from two queer icons. The first is from Audre Lorde, and the second is from Urvashi Vaid. And of course, when you are reading this book, you can always flip.
to the back matter at the end of the book that kind of goes into a little bit more depth about who these people are and what they did. So the Audre Lorde quote that starts off the book is, When we speak, we are afraid our words will not be heard or welcomed. But when we are silent, we are still afraid, so it is better to speak.
So powerful. Okay, and the next quote is from Urvashi Vaid. We call for the end of bigotry as we know it. We stand for freedom as we have yet to know it. And we will not be denied.
Matthew: And
Seema: then, when you keep flicking, you get to the first page of my writing, so I'll read this. A is for abundant, because we are many.
Our histories show we are diverse and plenty. From north and south, from here and there, queer people and queer stories are everywhere. A is for always, for we are not new. We have been here forever since the sky has been blue. We hail from queer ancestors who were here long ago. We continue their journey, their legacy, we grow.
Thank you.
Matthew: Yes, thank you. You, as you mentioned, not only have filled, it's, it's a spread. Each letter gets a spread and it's beautiful. But also you've got pages of Black Matter. with, with just a little bit more information about the individuals, about the events, just a little bit more for those kids that want to flip back and forth.
This is a book that you don't need to read cover to cover. This is a book that invites you to.
Seema: Yeah. Sorry. Yes, yes, yes. It does invite you to return to it, to read a chunk at a time. People do read it all the way through, of course. I've been told stories of kids carrying the book into their beds or their cots and like sleeping with it and waking up and reading it.
And, you know, I've been doing signings and events where adults bring kids. but then they buy like five copies of the book and they'll say, can you find this one to this nibbling? And then this one to my friend's kid, who's like four. And then they'll get to the final book they want me to sign in their stack of five.
And then I'll say, and then can you sign this to me? Because this is the book I wanted as a kid. And I'm like, yes, I get it. That is
Matthew: so beautiful. Oh, that's so beautiful. Seema, I'm grateful for you. I'm grateful for, uh, your body of work, but also that this. is included in it, and that you, uh, are the individual behind it.
I think both the book and you are a gift. I would like to ask you a question that I close every episode with, but also one that gives you a chance to speak right to those young readers, both in my library and in, uh, The, the, the homes, the libraries, the classrooms of all of the people listening. So I'll ask you, and I'll see a library full of children soon.
Is there a message that I can bring to them from you?
Seema: Oh, you know, because my books are being banned and because we're living in this moment, which isn't a brand new moment in terms of book bans, but it's certainly, you know, things are happening. I would urge kids everywhere to speak to librarians, teachers, adults, educators, and ask them about banned books.
I think it's a really healthy way to strike up conversation around who wants us to read what and who doesn't want us to read. some kinds of books. So I would get them to think about that topic and how they feel about it and what kind of future they want to live in, in terms of who gets to control what's on their library shelves and in their school libraries as well.
OUTRO
Matthew: Thank you to Dr. Seema Yasmin for joining me on The Children’s Book Podcast.
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